Rebecca
[00:00:00] So today I am with Rebecca, who if you have listened to the podcast for a while, you may have heard on the podcast before. We don't know when it was, but it was probably a year, maybe longer ago. Um, and we have been in each other's worlds for a really long time. So I'm always really excited for people to listen to the wisdom that comes from Rebecca.
[00:00:19] Um, so do you want to do a little intro for yourself? I definitely don't want to do a little intro for myself, but I kind of get that that's part of the podcast format and how other people in the world will know me. My, my name's Rebecca Cracknell, first of all. My Instagram bio currently says brand mentor, but, um, as you will know, Gemma, uh, that evolves quite quickly.
[00:00:43] Um, but essentially I help running their own businesses with how to communicate what they do online. That was good. That was like to the point. I know, I'm like, the more I say it, the better I'm getting, right? I just keep [00:01:00] saying it. I remember when we recorded the first one, I feel like you were so stressed about how to introduce yourself in one sentence.
[00:01:09] So I feel like this is growth. Yeah, I mean, I think the topic that we've come back to when we've worked together the most is, I don't know what to say, I do. Um, and I probably. Like would prefer to do anything other than write my Instagram bio. And I actually got a friend to write it this time. Well, I was updating mine at the weekend and I updated it so many times.
[00:01:32] It told me I'd reached the max and now I'm stuck with what it is. So that's fun. Okay. Well, I hope it's a nice one. I haven't, I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it perfectly sums up what you do. Well, let me ask you this, right? Because when I remember when we recorded the first podcast, we were like, wow, you've been on this huge journey and there's so much growth and so much has happened, and now we're recording the second podcast and I'm like, The journey is just, it feels like it's only just [00:02:00] starting.
[00:02:01] Um, so talk me through the changes that have happened in the last year. Like, what has been going on? What have you started, closed, all the things? Yeah, so, uh, I think when we recorded the last podcast, I kind of felt like I'd been on the journey to realizing I was a capable human who could do things in the world and people wanted to work with me.
[00:02:25] Um, and that felt huge. Um, and then since then, I mean, recently, the, the thing I keep coming back to you is like, I feel like I'm just back at the start again. Um, and I think that's because my business. has changed so quickly and it feels like almost on a fortnightly basis something shifts and it levels up.
[00:02:49] Um, and that's really exciting, but I think you have to have that degree of, um, [00:03:00] like support in place and self reflection in place in order to handle that. Um, and so when we spoke last time, I think I just started. Or was kind of in the process of offering services that were not just done for you content, which is where I started out.
[00:03:18] Um, I essentially started out, uh, I was thinking about it the other day and I was writing blogs for people for like 15 pounds, um, right at the beginning. And I just felt so lucky that that was something I could do and I could fit it in around my life. Just felt really liberating. And then from there, um, that kind of changed, I think through the work we did together, I understood that actually coming from a teaching background in particular, and, uh, my unique set of skills were actually helping other people to do their own, um, and helping other people to see.
[00:03:56] I guess their full potential. And so I [00:04:00] had a group offer that was called cheer squad that everyone loved. I really loved, I kind of started it on a whim when I was on holiday, um, and ran it for free and then it kind of grew from there. And then towards the end of last year, I realized I'd fallen out of love with cheer squad.
[00:04:19] Um, cheer squad was essentially focused on people having content inspiration and support and, um, like a place to celebrate their small wins on a daily basis with a group of other women who were looking to do the same. So people got a daily prompt and, uh, my support to help to create consistent. A word I have an interesting relationship with, but we might come back to that.
[00:04:48] Uh, content for their own businesses. And yeah, towards the end of last year, I realized they'd fallen out of love with that. Uh, mainly because [00:05:00] I realized that there were bits that I wanted to give people that were more than just that. And there, there was kind of like an interesting situation with my own boundaries there, as to whether like, do I just give people exactly what they need?
[00:05:19] Um, even though that's not what they've signed up and asked for, or do I need to look at this in a different way? And I had the sort of difficult decision of closing down an offer, that. Other people loved and other people really wanted me to run so that I could do the thing that I knew was right. It's hard to do.
[00:05:46] And I just want to say here, like. You know, you talk about evolving a lot and things changing on a fortnightly basis and closing down this offer. And as someone who saw this behind the scenes, who was having these conversations with you, that was not [00:06:00] an overnight decision. That was not just I've created an offer that I love and that people love and that people associate with my brand and all of that.
[00:06:08] And now I'm just going to like close it without thinking about it. It was months of conversation about what is the right thing to do here? What is going to make the most sense for me and for my business? And so, although there's been a lot of change and a lot of growth over a short period of time. It's not something you haven't taken seriously at the same time.
[00:06:29] Yeah. And I think you and I, we came back to that idea of like, I think some of my own mindset around it was like, am I self sabotaging my business by closing down something that was successful in order to do something else? And so I, I continued with it and I continued to give it my all and work really hard on it and support the women who were in it.
[00:06:53] Um, but. In my heart, I knew that there was something [00:07:00] more in there that I needed to, um, offer and kind of, I needed to present that to people. I couldn't just kind of give people that, um, like, on the sly, I guess. It's, I think it's the really brave thing to do, honestly, because when you've got something that works, It's almost easier to just carry on and be like, well, it works and it's bringing in money and people like it.
[00:07:27] So it's that phrase, isn't it? Like, if it's not, not broke, don't fix it, which I hate as a phrase, but I understand why people would continue and do that, and I think actually to stop and say, this doesn't align anymore, or this doesn't feel morally or values wise, where I want to go, or it's leaving me feeling like I'm not fulfilled or any of that kind of stuff, and then making a change.
[00:07:50] I think it's the really scary, really brave route to go. So for anyone who's listening and who is thinking, I have this offer right now that [00:08:00] works on the surface, but behind the scenes, it just doesn't feel right. What would your advice be to them having been through it? Well, I think it's that, that situation of like, ignorance is bliss.
[00:08:11] If you don't know that it is bliss, isn't the right thing, then you could carry on doing it. But as soon as you have that moment of realization, you have to make a choice whether or not you're gonna do something about it. Um, and I was in a similar situation, like, in my personal life, with my, my daughter, she went to a school and, um, Kind of felt like maybe it's not right and I went and looked at another school and I was like, oh my god I love this other school and I knew in my heart even though this other school is like Miles and miles away like 40 minutes away and causes loads of chaos in my life I knew that I would be doing the wrong thing to keep her where she was Um, and it was the same with this.
[00:08:54] I knew that like you said values wise I couldn't [00:09:00] Live with knowing that I was both selling myself and my, and my client short, I needed to, um, have that completely aligned in inside. And I'd say that if you are thinking that you might have an offer that doesn't work anymore, like I'd really tap into what that is.
[00:09:24] Like, why are you thinking that is it because that offer doesn't work anymore? Or is it because like. You're looking for something else, like it doesn't feel fun, it doesn't feel like whatever, but you really need to like, listen to what you're feeling around that, because otherwise it's just going to continue in that vein, um, and you kind of can't, you can't hide from that once, once you've had that thought.
[00:09:53] Yeah, it, it took some time I think for you to come to answers, but it really was one of those where it wasn't going to go away until you made [00:10:00] a decision. And it kept coming back and it was like, okay, we, we need to make a decision about it because otherwise it's just going to bug you for the rest of your life until you hate it even more.
[00:10:09] So, um, yeah, I think you are a good example of changing where necessary, but doing it in a way that is, and I know you'll kind of hate me saying this, but strategic. I know that you'll be thinking, I absolutely do not, but I think you do. Yeah, I think, um, that quite a lot of my offers, um, have come from a place of me having an idea that felt fun and following that through.
[00:10:36] So both Cheer Squad and I run Creation Days, which are like Voxer, uh, days where I offer. Like, um, voice note support for people who are creating their content and both of those ideas were born out of that place of like, I've got this idea and I'm on holiday and why not? Um, and so to, they, they then have become probably my most successful [00:11:00] offers, um, as well.
[00:11:01] So I think there's definitely something in there if you've got an idea and it feels fun, like see what happens. Um, you don't always have to be strategic, but I think once something Is out there in the world. It has to form part of a strategy too, because otherwise, um, like it hasn't got the direction and I think it's that direction that you need and I knew with cheer squad.
[00:11:27] It wasn't going in the direction that I wanted to go personally. And I also knew that. In terms of what it was offering my clients, many of them had been with me through different rounds of Cheer Squad 2 and had kind of grown alongside me. And actually I wanted to give them a greater sense of direction too.
[00:11:47] And so I think from there, that degree of strategy was really important because I needed to think about, okay, so what is next? [00:12:00] So what is next? So, uh, I, I basically mapped out an idea for the offer that I felt would give people what they truly needed. And I had noticed that a lot of my clients came to me for anything that I offered.
[00:12:17] And so they were coming to me for cheer squad. They were doing some one to one with me. They did some creation days. They did VIP days. And I was like, okay, so what is that? Um, and it was that idea of like, Combining the work I wanted to do. Okay. So like, these are the things I love doing and the things that they seem to want and need from those different offers.
[00:12:40] And I kind of mushed that together, um, which is a very strategic term, I'm sure. Um, but in that machine, I created something that is an all in offer. So essentially. I like working with people for a really long period of time, [00:13:00] um, whilst creation days and one off support is like fun. Actually, I love to see the impact of people kind of doing the work and putting, putting, putting that commitment into what they do.
[00:13:12] Uh, so I now run a, uh, a six month offer, so six months minimum. Um, I also love The combination of in person I love hanging out with my clients and like it feeling fun funds, kind of one of my core values in my business. Um, so it combines VIP days with, um, like online one to one support as well. Uh, I took the elements of cheer squad, which were the group dynamic and that kind of daily connection.
[00:13:46] And we have a telegram group, um, where. I continue with the motivation and inspiration, but it isn't always focused solely on content and we kind of [00:14:00] start with people's vision, um, and, and bring in the strategy from there. So, uh, yeah, and obviously. In the way that I can't write my own Instagram bio, I struggled with coming up with a name for it, um, to, and, and it was having to take that time to reflect on what this offer was all about for my clients that led me there.
[00:14:28] So it wasn't, I've got this great name, let me build an offer around that. It was like, what is this offer truly about? And for me, it was about. women at a point in their life where they have that realization, a bit like I had, whereby it's like, Oh, I can actually do this. What could I possibly do now? And so the offer itself is called, uh, the next chapter.
[00:14:51] I love this. And it's so good to see you talk about it like this, because. What not crying. You mean not crying on a zoom to you. [00:15:00] It's just so it's great, isn't it? And I know, you know, this from working with your clients, but to see snippets of it coming together and the initial idea, and then the, Oh, but what is this?
[00:15:09] And then to see it all come together, it just feels. Really special having been behind the scenes as well. Um, and again, I just want to say like you put so much effort into this offer. This was, it wasn't just. Oh, I want to do this because it's fun. I know that was kind of where it started from, but then it was, how can I have maximum impact for my clients?
[00:15:29] How am I helping them get where they want to go? And it's all of that work that I think quite often we don't really see because it's not, it's a lot of stuff that happens in conversation and in your own head, and it's the tough bit, I think, but. I think sometimes people think we come up with these offers out of the blue and they're online the next day and and it's that easy but there was a lot of work.
[00:15:49] Sometimes they are. Sometimes. But I know that. These were not though. No, this was, this was like your big offer and and it had big effort behind it. Yeah, and I, I kind [00:16:00] of the part of me that, um, is kind of still on that journey because I very much believe that when you're growing a business, you're growing too, um, because you're constantly challenged in a whole host of ways that you can't always plan for.
[00:16:17] And so that growth and evolution, like in a personal way is always going to happen. Um, and I believe that. I guess that's why it's not actually cut out for everybody. Well, no, everybody isn't cut out for it. Um, but yeah, this, this was something that I had a degree of fear around as well, because it's, it's a bigger offer, um, and the idea of somebody Working with me all in, um, it was all about being a right fit as well.
[00:16:51] And so I don't believe that this offer is something that's for everybody and therefore I'm never going to sell it to everybody. But for the people it's right for, I wanted it to [00:17:00] be really right for them and give them everything that they needed. And how do you feel about it now that it's kind of there and it's physically a thing.
[00:17:09] Do you still have that fear or is that kind of gone? No, no, the fear is absolutely gone now. Uh, when I was kind of sat on it for a long time, where I was planning different aspects of it and I was, um, uh, focused on, like I said, you know, like, what does this offer really need to be and who exactly is it for?
[00:17:30] And, um, What does it need to have in it? I spent, like, so long sort of wading through that stuff, that, uh, there were moments when I doubted myself, and then I knew that there came a point when it had to go out in the world, and once it was out there, I knew it was right, um, I think people's reactions to it felt right, the right people are in it, which I think told me that all of that reflection [00:18:00] and that time spent in it.
[00:18:03] really honing what it was and what it wasn't, um, was time well spent because having the right people in it, I think is key. And so far, like the elements I've delivered of it, which I've done numerous VIPs days now where it kind of started out. I'm loving it too, because I've made sure that it really is the way that I want to work and the way that I want to spend my day.
[00:18:30] And I think that's, that's kind of at the heart of what we do in it as well. Like everybody's version of success is so different and so unique because everybody's life is so different and so unique. And so when you're like scrolling online and you're seeing like generic versions of what success looks like, that isn't going to be the thing that actually like, lights you up.
[00:18:57] Um, and [00:19:00] another business owner might hate running this offer the way that I run it. Um, but for me, it feels absolutely perfect. God, this makes me so happy. Good. I love this. Um, you mentioned when you were talking about that offer that you love that sort of longer term relationship and Me and you have worked together now for maybe two years or so.
[00:19:25] I think it's longer than that now. I think it's two and a half, yeah. Oh my goodness, flown by. Um, what is it about that longer term relationship that you love? As I said, I think when you are running your business, you grow as a person, whether you actively seek that out or otherwise. And I think having that long term support enables you to Like grow alongside somebody [00:20:00] and you're not having to keep reintroducing the elements of your business to somebody so that they can buy into your vision too.
[00:20:09] Um, it's that idea that my clients, like I'm, I'm partnered with them in their business. I am fully invested. I believe, like I said, it's, it's about it being the right fit. I know. Because we are working on it so closely, exactly why they want to create the things they want to create. I know why it matters to them so much in their personal lives.
[00:20:35] I know, um, like their fears around it. And that all comes from this long term relationship. And so it's the case that we can make a greater impact because we're not Wasting time having to, like, reintroduce all of those elements again and again and again. Um, and that, for me, [00:21:00] is really satisfying because I get to see them, them grow as a person too.
[00:21:10] I think No, go on. No, go on. I like it. There was a pause. I had to fill it. Were you going to fill it with something good? I don't know. We'll find out, shall we? Um, in terms of like, as you encounter challenges in your business, like you're going to be tested in ways that you don't know. But when somebody alongside you knows What your, your tendency is for, like, the reaction to those challenges.
[00:21:44] So, for example, me and the self sabotage, like, you, you supported me through that degree where I was like, Oh, I, no, this is just me doing a self sabotage bit. Um, because you understood that whilst that was a tendency of mine, [00:22:00] it's something that, um, I'm also growing beyond as well and I think that, that comes from that idea of being like partnered with somebody who sees more than just the immediate problem.
[00:22:19] This is why I love long term one to one. It's that sort of, you never know when something's going to happen, whether it's a good thing or a hard thing. And when you've got that person who has been there for a long time, you can send a message that says. A couple of words. And they know the context so much that they know what you're feeling, how you're going to respond to this.
[00:22:41] Are you going to go and celebrate, or are you going to be crying in your room on the floor? Like they know how you're going to be reacting. And I think that's really special because if you message me and say, Oh my gosh, this just happened. I know what you need from me in that situation, based on our longer term [00:23:00] relationship.
[00:23:00] And I think that's something that's very hard to get when you're constantly switching between support, because before that person can support you, you've got to explain the backstory, and, you know, your tendency to self sabotage, and all these other things. And I do think sometimes, you know, you do need short term support for certain things, but when it comes to, like, the deeper stuff, I think that long term relationship is so important.
[00:23:24] It feels safe. It feels like you're held and you can just drop someone a message and they're going to give you like a virtual hug while you pick yourself back up again, you know? Yeah, I think like safety is a word we've come back to a lot. And I think that we all need safety if we want that growth, whether that growth is the personal growth or the business growth, there's got to be a degree of safety there.
[00:23:45] And having somebody who fully understands the areas where it might not be safe, um, Enables you that additional layer [00:24:00] of protection because it's not just you sat there overthinking it. Somebody else is like, no, holding a mirror up going this is the reality of it. Um, and I also think that It enables greater challenge too.
[00:24:16] So when you work with somebody over a short period of time, you're, there's that degree of like testing out what, what things are going to challenge them and what things are going to push them. And actually like I can say something to you or my clients can say something to me. And you don't have to spend that time working through like, how far can I push back on this?
[00:24:40] What, what do they actually need to take it to the next level? Um, you know, those times when we all like the safety, like the security and like want to play in our comfort zone and play small a bit, actually somebody can call you out on that because they, they know what your big visions are and they know your strengths so well, and they [00:25:00] know the areas where.
[00:25:02] You tend to doubt yourself and I, I think that means that in terms of the impact, like, it's greater because you, you cut through all of that bullshit and you just are pressing, pressing fast forward to the bit that you actually need. Um, and that's fulfilling for me as the person who's offering that support, but like being on the flip side of that as well with you.
[00:25:27] Like, I love that because I feel really seen. Yeah, no, I think we're, um, we're very similar in the way that we love those relationships. And I know not everyone works in this way. Some people enjoy doing a workshop and just kind of being in and out and moving on with their life. But I think both of us, we're very much like, we want those relationships.
[00:25:50] We want to develop those connections with people that are going to be like long term. And that's exactly why we've been around each other for so long. It's like, well, But my week without you would be [00:26:00] weird. Uh, yeah, absolutely that. And I, and I think, you know, that goes both ways. Um, for, I, I run workshops and offer that short, short term support.
[00:26:13] And yeah, you can leave after 60 minutes and take away something that's tangible. And that you can implement straight away. That, that isn't up for question. It's not that that isn't possible. But there's a degree of. Fun and enjoyment as well from building those deeper connections with somebody whereby Like, they've seen you on that path too, um, and they're like pleased for you and proud of you and, and all of those things, it's like an additional layer of reward.
[00:26:44] Yeah. I want to bring up something that I think some people listening might relate to, and that is your hatred of certain words, phrases. I'm, I'm thinking things like professional, I know that's going to give you [00:27:00] the ick as I say it, um, smart goals. You'll run a mile if I bring up smart goals. What is it about those kinds of things that you dislike?
[00:27:11] And how do you run a business while disliking them when most people would think you need them? Um, yeah, I, I think hate's a strong word, but there are some of those words that I do genuinely hate. Like, they make me feel ill. Um, and I think it comes from, Like, the societal pressures of what we should be, and I don't like being told what I should be.
[00:27:43] Um, I, I think we landed on the phrase, I'm a responsible rebel, so I will always kind of push back about what other people expect of me. Um, and I think [00:28:00] Like whilst I am professional in my work and I have high standards for myself and I set myself like high expectations, the associations with some of those words that we are like sold by the world in which we live and I speak about obviously social media a lot here as well and I think, you know, in the space of online female business owners, um, there's a lot of those.
[00:28:29] Sort of generic versions of what it should look like and I don't think anyone should be made to feel less than. And I think sometimes those words are set up to make us feel like failures before we even start. Um, and actually I believe that nine times out of ten you can be both. Like there are times when I can be [00:29:00] largely what would be considered, I guess, a failure.
[00:29:02] Unprofessional as well as being somebody who's highly professional and would always meet deadlines or whatever your version of that might look like. Um, and I think I struggle with being put in a box and I think quite often social media in particular, um, likes to put us in a box. So in whatever way I possibly can, I want to help you get out of that box.
[00:29:35] I really love the talk about boxes because I think although everyone is so unique and every journey is so different, we all have our version of that. We all have that version of I should be, or I should be doing, and then feeling. Like you have to sort of mold yourself into this version that would be more successful or that would sell more things or, you know, whatever.
[00:29:59] And for you, [00:30:00] that might be professional. For someone else, it might be confident or, you know, something like that. And feeling like you have to just be somebody different. And I know from experience that trying to be somebody different never works, you know, it always just leaves you feeling icky and unaligned and, and that doesn't make you more successful or it might do externally, but not internally.
[00:30:19] So I love that you have this sort of like. rebellion against anybody who's going to try and put you in a box. I love it. Um, I want to finish by talking about failures and things that you look back on and think, why did that wrong? Or I wouldn't do that again, but maybe also things that you look back on and think that, but also you wouldn't change it because it got you where you were.
[00:30:42] Yeah. I think, uh, failure and regret are two big topics that we often talk about a lot. Um, and. Whilst I would love to be somebody who buys into that, um, sort of [00:31:00] narrative that it's all part of our journey and isn't that like that, that isn't easy. It isn't easy to feel that way. Um, so whilst I think failure and fuck ups and getting it wrong are all really important.
[00:31:16] Like that doesn't mean you're going to feel good about it. Um, and I think they're necessary for your business to move forward. And. You kind of have to give yourself permission to do that, and permission to experiment and play around and see what does and doesn't work. But, there are going to be times when something fails, and it's feel shit, and you have to be kind of prepared to face up to those negative feelings too.
[00:31:50] Um, not just say, I'm okay with failure, like, that's fine, I'll just, I'll just try and I'll fail and I'll move on and it'll be fine, like, you have to create the [00:32:00] space to acknowledge some of the shitty feelings around that as well. It comes back as well to what we said about safety, right? Because it's so much easier to fail and to do things that you feel were maybe not right, if you've got that safety.
[00:32:21] And I think it's so much harder to do when it feels like. If this one thing fails and everything is going to fall apart and everything is going to crumble because putting that amount of pressure on something is going to lead to failure sometimes because you're not coming at it from a good place. And I think when you've got that stability, it's so much easier to be like, I'm going to try this and it might not work.
[00:32:45] And that might suck. And I might cry about it. I might stomp my feet about it, but I will still be okay. And my business will still exist. Yeah, and I think there's a flip in that as well, in that when you've, when you've built a certain degree of success and [00:33:00] you have created that sense of safety, you can step back into your comfort zone at times.
[00:33:08] And actually, like, you're going to have to continue to push yourself. even when you have, feel like you've done the failing and you've done the hard stuff and I've got, I've got where I am. Otherwise, it's not only that, like, you won't grow, because actually growth isn't something that necessarily you have to be seeking out, and I know not everybody is, but when things, you know, Get to a point where they feel safe and they feel successful and they feel secure.
[00:33:39] That can be just as scary as that point when you've kind of got nothing. Um, because you're gonna have to, You're going to have to switch things up and you're going to have to like change things, even if it's not the growth you're seeking out because your clients are going to change and like the context that we all living [00:34:00] is going to change your platforms we promote ourselves on are going to change.
[00:34:03] And so it is being okay with the fact that failure is part of it, whilst also having the courage to actually address those feelings of failure too. Okay. I'm really glad you said this because I think that's where a lot of service providers that I speak to get stuck. They experiment and they are messy with that initial action and then they get to a point where it's like, oh, I have a business.
[00:34:32] Like, I have clients, and I'm fully booked, and people love what I do, and this is great. And then they start to feel really unfulfilled, and bored, and they don't enjoy bits of their work, or they don't enjoy some of the client relationships, but they don't do that experimentation anymore, because you have more to lose at that point, and it is easier sometimes just to stay where you are, because that can feel safe sometimes, or we tell ourselves it's safe.
[00:34:58] And then it's harder to move [00:35:00] forward and get out of where you are. And a conversation I have a lot with people is, you know, they're feeling, things are okay. Things are not awful. Things are not sort of I want to burn them to the ground. They're okay. And I should be grateful because you know, my husband or my aunt or my sister has to go to work and has to work in an office.
[00:35:18] And oh my gosh, I should be like, So happy that I get to sit at my desk at home near my kettle. And so I can't complain. So I'm just going to stay where I am. The problem with that is if you're not happy, you're not happy, no matter how much you try and trick yourself into thinking you are, you have to make a change.
[00:35:35] And I think that's a really hard place to be as well. Yeah. It's kind of going full circle. It's that ignorance is bliss, right? Once you acknowledge that, okay, despite all these external factors of like my business is successful, I'm glad I've got clients. I fully, fully booked. If you feel. That niggling sense of this isn't right, you, you can't ignore that.
[00:35:58] Um, and [00:36:00] that involves the experimentation, it involves the possibility of failure and that, like, to go full circle. Yeah, like that's me on a voice note to you going, I feel like I'm right back at the start again. But I had to be right back at the start and I wasn't. You know, I had all that experience and thing in between that means you're not back at the start, but you have to have that feeling in order to try something new and to like mix it up and do something that, yeah, is going to take my business to the next level or to the next evolution of that.
[00:36:40] Um, and like, trust me, if you have that little voice in your head that is telling you it isn't right, You can't sit on that forever because it won't go away. She's going to get louder. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming and talking to us for a second time. [00:37:00] I'm going to put the link in the notes to your first podcast interview so people can go and like watch you grow because I think it's just so fascinating to see somebody change in front of and we often, we see podcast interviews or.
[00:37:14] I don't know, press or whatever. And we see sort of like the finished version of a person or a person's business. And I actually think it's so interesting to see, well, this is where I was a year ago and this is where I am now. And people get to see that with you because you've been on here twice. And hopefully in a year's time, we'll do another one.
[00:37:30] And I'm definitely not the finished version. Oh no, none of us are. But um, no, I'm really grateful for that. Your time. Um, where can people come and find you if they were like, Oh my gosh, I love her. I need to go follow her. Where are you? Uh, you'll find me mainly on Instagram, um, which is at Rebecca L.
[00:37:50] Cracknell. Well, thank you again. And, um, I'm sure we'll have you on again in future. Thank you.
